Ginger says he was excited about the prospect of working with Guns before his supergroup dream turned sour when he realised he wouldn't have any input into the song writing. "I just realised the idea of the band that we all had, wasn't the idea of the band that was going to record the album.," he tells RockAAA. "The album was meant to be called '13 Acres' because we lived on this crazy ranch that Charles Manson's disciples had moved into before they moved to the Topanga Canyon one. This place was just steeped in history and it was 13 acres and it was all f**king spooky.