Four Years Later - It Must Be Time For Bif
Naked
Part of the big fun of this gig is getting
to talk to my musical top guns. And it was more than a highlight to finally
get to speak with the awesomely talented Bif Naked and one of my personal
favourites. With all due respect to Ms. Lavigne, Bif is indeed the Queen
of Canadian rock. I've loved Bif for years and along with my daughters
have seen her countless times in concert where she fails to disappoint
each and every time.
Bif is an inspiration to many. She is an
advocate of health and fitness, a vegan who follows a rigid workout schedule,
even going so far as to seek out gyms when on the road. She's an avid skateboarder,
snowboarder as well as BMXer. She also includes many encouraging messages
throughout her record liner notes, website and blogs, as well as guest
columns she is beginning to write for several magazines. As well, she is
the President of her own record company, Her Royal Majesty's Records, home
to 6 or 7 or so other artists.
More than that, you can always count on
her for some great music. Each of her five records (seven if you count
a greatest hits and a spoken word set) are chock full of hits that bubble
over with hooks and attitude. Her last record, 2001's Purge is a
masterpiece that sizzles from beginning to end.
Her latest record Superbeautifulmonster,
has just been released in the U.S. (hah - us Canucks got it two months
earlier) and it shows an almost more (gasp) mature Bif. It's a dark affair
that still has the hooks but shows a more melancholy vibe than in the past
--- musically, if not lyrically. Her songwriting has gotten more adventurous
but the big change here is vocally. She uses her voice in different ways
for some songs, as she perhaps gains more confidence in what she can deliver
(stuff us fans have known for years).
How excited was I? Interviewing Bif Naked?
Be still my heart. OK, enough of my gushing. Let's get to it.
antiMusic: Congratulations, Superbeautifulmonster
is a strong record and "Let Down" is an excellent single. I took to Purge
like a magnet to steel but it took several spins to get in line with this
one. Once I did, I've really liked it. First of all, how is Anna?
(Bif has two dogs, Anastasia and Nicholas that have become almost mascots
since Bif draws pix of them throughout her record's liner-notes)
Bif: She's doing very well, thank
you. She had a ligament surgery about six weeks ago and she's already walking
on all four legs again instead of three. She was so amazingly stoic through
it all. She was trying to run and….nothing ever seems to bother her. She
never complains about pain or anything. She's so inspiring. Anna is very
special in that …the universe must think that Anastasia is very strong
or they wouldn't keep giving her things that challenge her. And she always
meets the challenge. We're very fortunate to have her.
antiMusic: Purge came out in
2001. Why such a long wait?
Bif: It's always the same. I always
wait four years between records and I'm sure I'll wait another four before
I do another one. We usually tour an album that long and you know, touring
is definitely the best part of my job, to be sure. And it just seems like
you know, the commitments we have in every territory where the record comes
out, entails us being there geographically. And we were just frankly unable
to get into the studio until we did.
antiMusic: Now that the record finished
and you've lived with it for a couple of months how are you feeling about
it?
Bif: Awesome. It's been such a thrill.
I always get excited. It's so fun to play the new songs and I love performing
them. I feel like I'm just now trying to find myself as a songwriter. So
I'm very proud of the material and I enjoy singing it a lot.
antiMusic: This record is a much darker
affair than Purge, at least musically if not lyrically. One could say Purge
was on the dark side also. But from "Abandonment" through to "After A While",
the lyrics in general are a bit bleak, with the exception of "Everyday".
And there's less little Biff-isms in the liner notes. Things haven't been
all great in Bif-world from the sound of it. What's been going on with
you?
Bif: There's a bit of self-deprecation
going on within the realm of lyrical catharsis. You know, I like trying
to master the craft of words. I think a lot of poets, writers and lyricists
ultimately need to achieve a black belt in words. And that's my goal ultimately
to find new ways to express that same feeling we've all felt, even for
a moment, in our lives, whether it's blind love or the most sorrowful despair.
Just to find new ways to challenge myself into describing it better or
more specifically or more poetically. It never ceases to stimulate me.
antiMusic: Was "Abandonment" directed
to anybody in particular?
Bif: I wrote that song with a guy
by the name of Jimmy Allen who is in a band called Puddle of Mudd. We went
to a seedy hotel in West Hollywood and had met up there specifically for
the purpose of writing together. I was a fan of his work and he of mine.
And I had never met him before. Within 15 minutes of shaking hands and
exchanging our pleasantries, we started writing "Abandonment". It was interesting
and I think he and I, separately in our lives, had been through throat-choking
heartache. And that song was the first out of four that we wrote. And it
came very easily.
antiMusic: Is there a theme to the record?
I read that you wrote over 75 songs so why did you settle on these 13?
Bif: These were the most positive.
(laughs) It was hard. I couldn't be a big part of the decision-making process
because ultimately I was attached to all the songs. My only big thing was
I had to have "After Awhile" as the last song. I had to have "Henry" somewhere
on the record. And I had to have "Ladybug Waltz" on the record. And beside
those simple hopes, I guess, I really didn't have any preferences, one
way or the other. Each song is like a baby that you care for and nurture
and you're attached to them all equally.
antiMusic: The cover of "Nothing Else
Matters" is excellent. What was it about that song that made you want to
cover it.
Bif: I'm a girl. And to me that
song is a love song. Ultimately, it's just one of the world's greatest
love songs. They've always been one of my favourite bands and I've always
wanted to perform that song. Always. So the timing was correct and Dave
Fortman wanted to produce that song. And I wanted to sing it. And all the
planets just all lined up at the right time.
antiMusic: Musically, things are a bit
more rock in places than in the past. "After A While" and "The Question
Song" have the guitars cranked up in parts. You had "Leader" on Purge
but the music is less bubbly than in the past. Was that just owing to the
somber directions of the lyrics or did you just want more guitar on this
one?
Bif: Well you know, it just seemed
to be the way everyone was going with our writing. I just think that the
time signature on "After Awhile" for example was the influence of Scotty
my drummer. And I hope that we're all evolving as better songwriters and
I hope that I'm evolving as a better singer. I was really happy with the
way it turned out and that it's a little more guitar-heavy as it is. And
those songs are really quite exciting to perform, particularly "The Question
Song". We performed "After Awhile" for the first time in Kitchener last
week. And that song is really quite dramatic. It lends itself to a lot
of theatrics. And proper placement in the set is really quite integral
when you're trying to put in all the repertoire from the past as well.
So it's a tricky one to place in the set, I've discovered. "Abandonment"
as well. It's kind of stark in its feeling really and I'm finding it really
tricky to place them in the set correctly….so they'll have a connection
with audience. It's more about the feeling than it is about the music.
antiMusic: You wanna know my favourite
part of the record? I've got two. The end of "Henry". The "I guess this
is goodbye" part. You almost sound disconnected from your Bifness if you
know what I mean. Not that there's anything wrong with your Bifness, obviously.
It's just there's a you I've never heard on record before. You also have
a different vocal on the chorus of "After A While" which is really appealing
as well. To me, both really stand out. It's more like Beth than Bif maybe.
Were you conscious of each of these or do you just think I'm out to lunch?
Bif: Oh cool. Yeah I think so. I
notice that my voice is changing. I'm in my mid '30s now and my voice has
definitely changed. It's lower and I have this occasional, should I allow
it to surface, this resonance of a vibrato, which is not as quick as my
previous delivery, vocally. It's really interesting…the physiology of the
vocal chords and how everything is changing. I'm really embracing it. I
really like it. I have a lot of fun singing. I really do. And I like the
dramatics of the chorus particularly in "After Awhile" and after performing
it live again, it seems like there's this really Diamanda Galas wannabe
sort of vibrato. I'm having fun with it.
antiMusic: Do you try different approaches
on a song, vocally or do you deliver it the way you hear it in your head?
Bif: No, ultimately I'm at the mercy
of a producer. "Spaceman", for example, was written on acoustic guitar
and it was a ballad. It was Glenn Rosenstein who produced I Bificus who
made it into the song that it is. I would never have foreseen that song
having so much programming and the ability to remix it just amazes it.
But ultimately, every song is written on acoustic guitar with vocal. And
sometimes it changes in tempo. But "Henry" is one of those songs that stayed
true to its original intention and I call it a mountain song.
antiMusic: It seems to me to be one
of the least personal songs.
Bif: Yeah, because I don't have
a baby. Nor do I know anybody called Henry.
antiMusic: I was wondering if it was
a fictional thing about Rollins?
Bif: It doesn't hurt that the name
sings well. And it's a widely known fact that I'm a big fan of Hank. You
know, it's a strange song. Again, I don't know why most of the stuff I
do is so autobiographical. That song for me, came out of left field in
the imagination department. I wrote it standing up in my kitchen one morning,
making coffee. Something about…you fail somebody. You feel like you fail
them. And that's kind of where the whole song grew around the first line.
It's just weird how it goes. And since then…cause I wrote it a couple of
years ago, I've probably written a dozen of my songs that are in the same
vein. Not lyrically per se but definitely….I call them campfire songs.
And it's just…there's something really soothing and organic about singing
'em. You just want to sing them all the time.
antiMusic: You and Peter Karroll have
had a long business relationship. What is it about him that works so well
with you both as a manager and then as a songwriter/producer?
Bif: I don't know, to be honest
with you. It just always was. Besides John Zazula, his partner since '94,
Peter is the only manager I've ever know. He started managing me when I
was about 22 years old. He started writing for I Bificus with me,
pretty much out of desperation, because all the people I was co-writing
with, we weren't coming up with stuff that anybody liked, quite honestly.…except
for me. Because he is a musician in his own right, as well. So he just
picked up a guitar and we just started jamming. We wrote "Spaceman", "Moment
of Weakness" and forget which other one it was, but it was all in a day.
In one afternoon. Actually it was in a span of about an hour and a half.
And it was like, "Hey, this works." It just works. It's like family. We
all kind of live in a compound near each other and he and his wife, and
her parents, his new daughter and his two grown daughters, and me and my
dog and their dogs. It's going to make a great Behind The Music one day.
It's a little convoluted and sick (laughs) but it works.
antiMusic: You've also worked with (guitarist)
Doug Fury for awhile now. What does Doug bring to the table that keeps
him in the Bif camp?
Bif: Yeah, a long time. Everything.
He is just an inspiring musician. He really is. And he and I both have
the same taste in music and we both seem to go through our phases at the
same time. He's really got a knack for interesting little runs and he and
Peter work well together too. It's a really good solid relationship. Plus
we've been in the trenches together everyday. We've lived together on a
tour bus. We've suffered together. We've experienced violence on the road
together. We've thrown up together. Slept together. Eaten food together.
And somehow all of those things forever connect us.
antiMusic: You've always made a point
of trying to align yourself with positive people, touring-wise such as
Andrew W.K. What was it like doing your Canadian tour with Billy Idol?
Did you get on personally?
Bif: He was awesome. He was great.
He was very, very gregarious. And his whole crew. Very friendly and courteous.
He's the consummate professional. And he really is at the top of his game.
He must have done a two hour show every night. And he's in the best shape
of his life. And it was just a really wonderful experience for us all.
I'd love to do it again. It was so fast though. Canada has such few cities
so it's always a really fast tour.
antiMusic: You've always expressed a
fondness for the heavier side of metal bands like Lamb of God and Corrosion
of Conformity. Given that you've said when you write, a lot of your stuff
comes out like Black Metal, would you ever consider trying a record in
that genre? I mean, you weren't afraid to put out spoken word stuff, which
is decidedly different.
Bif: Yeah, I love those bands. And
I definitely would love to do something like that. Only I wouldn't sing.
Because I'd want to play the bass. I can't play the bass very well but
the thing about black metal and death metal is, and Doug and Scotty have
me trained to just do the whole note, which I can accomplish within the
parameters of Scotty's meter. And so we always have a running joke that
in the death metal band, I'm going to wear the Mexican wrestling mask and
a bikini and just go out and play the whole notes on the bass, strung really
low like Toby from Salvador Dream used to do. It would be great. Hopefully,
I'd hit all the correct notes and they'd have some other guy like Paul
from the Ripcordz, or someone with this really good throaty voice. Eventually,
we'll develop this metal supergroup. It'll be our very own version of Probot.
antiMusic: Man, I'd love to hear that.
Bif: Cool. I'll keep you posted.
antiMusic: Speaking of the spoken word
thing. What made you start doing that? I guess the first was "The Gross,
Gross Man". What gave you the confidence to do a whole record (which I
loved, by the way)? We've always really enjoyed those parts of your earlier
records.
Bif: I just always did the performances
here on the West coast when they were popular. And they always had open
mike nights. And I often would go. Especially when I was a drinker. We
would all go down and have a couple of cold beers and get on the mike.
I would always end up reading poetry and getting chastised for it so I
had to make it a little more social. It was very leftist stuff really.
And it was very enjoyable. It was a great outlet for writing. For essays
and poetry and what not. I kept getting fan requests for it. Which is why
I made the spoken record at all. And it's so funny when I re-listen to
that thing, which is few and far between because I find it a little painful
now. Because it was ten years ago and I assure you Morley, my attitude
is a little different now about a lot of issues. I had just gotten off
the bottle and I was rather obsessed about it. It makes me laugh when I
hear it now. And how many things I would do differently. I consider it
rather unprofessional. Because ultimately my manager just let me walk around
with a DAT recorder. I handed it in and we just put it out, just like that.
There was nobody who Bad Cop'd to me. To this day, I don't think my manager
has listened to the whole thing. And there's so many f*** ups in it. I
f***ed up so many things on my enunciation on a couple of things which
are quite grating when I hear them know. And there's one point where I
started laughing when I was mimicking Eddie Murphy. I started laughing
in the middle of my soliloquy, if you will. I would never do such a thing
today. I find it really amateurish but it makes me laugh a lot though.
antiMusic: So you're not storing up
the pieces for a future project?
Bif: No. I haven't for a while.
But I have so many scrapbooks of essays and misery writing and rants and
whatnot. I keep thinking…eventually…we must have 250 of scrapbooks and
sketchbooks all full of weird things. Eventually we'll get a publisher
on board and put it out. I just don't know when I'll ever get organized.
antiMusic: How did Her Royal Majesty's
Records come about? That's an ambitious project for someone so young.
Bif: It was out of desperation.
Really and truly. And once again I have to credit Peter because I would
never have had the kind of foresight at that age in my life. It was '94
when we formed it. And it was primarily because the first label that put
my record out, Plum Records folded within three months of my release and
the distributor A&M Records didn't pick it up. They passed. So we were
just f***ed with this product and no vehicle. So we formed a company and
couldn't get much of a bit going in Canada. So we licensed it overseas
and just went to Europe. That's where the work was. I figured if it could
work for Annihilator and bands like this, I'm perfectly happy having a
blossoming career in Europe and coming home and being a normal human being.
I really never thought about it either way. Then Aquarius picked up my
record in '96 and finally put that out.
antiMusic: Considering you're known
as the extreme opposite of a couch potato, what is an average day like
in the life of Bif Naked?
Bif: My alarm goes off at 5:30.
And I wake up and I take my time. If I don't wake up at 5:30, I can't take
my time. So I go down and make a pot of coffee. Really strong. It's like
mud. Then I get myself together. Have a protein shake. Feed my dogs. We
go out the door. I usually stop in at the office. Then I go to the gym.
I run errands on the way home from the gym, back to the office. I do some
stuff…whatever is required on any given day, whether it be radio station
ID voice-overs or doing interviews or signing posters. Then I take my dogs
to a park in the afternoon. Then we go home about 4:00. I have a one-bowl
series that I've been practicing for a long time. Which is to eat out of
the same bowl every day. Whatever it is. And I eat once a day usually when
the sun goes down. And I've done it for years. It doesn't change. Even
on tour. At night I like to be in bed by 10, cuz I get up so early.
antiMusic: You are such a proponent
of fitness. Do you also still keep up with your martial arts training?
Bif: I don't have time for a class
structure sort of training. I think we will again as a family and an organization
look into it when we have time. But currently with the travel schedule,
there doesn't seem to be the time.
antiMusic: You've appeared in a few
films like Lunch With Charles. Any plans or desire to do that in
the future.
Bif: I would love to. But the right
script hasn't come along. After Lunch With Charles, I did a movie
called The Crossing and the reason I took that role was I got to
do some fighting in the movie and some weapons training. I played a drag
king. I was padded up for the role. I just wanted it for my reel because
it would look different. I like playing really specific characters. I'm
not really interested in doing the usual; playing the junkie, the stripper,
the rock singer. That's mostly the scripts that will come across the desk.
And I'm just looking for something to make me leave me touring for a couple
of months.
antiMusic: You've seen Britt (Black,
who played guitar on Bif's last tour and co-founder of LiveOnRelease) grow
up before your very eyes. Obviously, there was LiveOnRelease but how weird
is it to see her out on her own with this new record and band?
Bif: It's amazing. I'm so proud
of that kid. I think she's just starting to…again…my first record sounds
like a different person to me in a lot of ways. I don't know how Brittan
feels about her record. I feel fiercely protective of it. I'm very proud
of her. But I also know she has that natural talent. Her voice is very
interesting to me. She's got a real lilt to her vocal delivery that can't
be learned. And it can't be suggested or imitated. It's something God gave
her and it really freaked me out the first time I heard her sing. I just
thought, "Wow, where is that voice from?" And it made me feel very happy
because I just thought, you know, that's something that's unique to only
her. And it's that uniqueness that makes people have that longevity in
their career and that uniqueness develops the loyalty of fans. I think
she's so awesome. I just love watching her play. And I love her songs.
They make me cry.
antiMusic: You did a short stint as
a guest DJ at a Vancouver radio station (CFOX) last year. What did you
get from that experience?
Bif: I loved it. It was so fun.
That came about because I was at home. They asked me and I'm friends with
all the people down there. I've known them for a long time. It wasn't a
big stretch for me to wake up at 3:30 in the morning and be in there for
5. It fit in naturally and was really fun. Not a lot of money. But I never
shut up. So the idea of going on the radio and talking…for a job, to me
that would be the ideal job.
antiMusic: Hey, how happy are you that
opening game of the NHL is in two days and are you going to get to go to
any Canuck games before you leave for the US?
Bif: Oh man. I can't even tell you
how excited I am. Because of the schedule I probably won't get to go to
a game for a while. But I can't believe it's back. It's surreal to me.
antiMusic: Maybe it'll be a Canuck-Sens
Stanley Cup final this year.
Bif: From your mouth to God's ear.
And don't get me wrong. I love players more than teams. I've always said
Mario Lemieux is a f***ing saint. He so loved the game that he bought his
team to save the team. And I thought, what a noble, noble thing to do.
A lot of the guys are like that for me. I like goons…..a lot. It's going
to be an exciting year.
antiMusic: It'll be even better for
you West Coast people now that you've got Bertuzzi back.
Bif: Poor bastard. You know, I know
his wife. They're good people. And it's just such a crushing shame. It's
a very difficult thing. My prayers go out to Steve Moore but it's f***ing
HOCKEY. f*** off. I want to see a hockey fight. I mean what do you expect?
It's just unfortunate.
antiMusic: I've seen several columns
by you in different magazines lately. Is this a new sideline: Bif Naked
columnist?
Bif: From your mouth to God's ear
once again. I get asked to do that and I'm always happy to oblige when
I'm asked.
antiMusic: What are the plans for the
rest of 2005 and 2006 for you?
Bif: Just touring. We're on tour
which starts in a couple of weeks and goes until the end of December. Then
Superbeautifulmonster is coming out in Europe and then Japan in
the new year. Hopefully we'll be able to go and support the record by going
and touring over there.
antiMusic: Any thought to a DVD in the
near future?
Bif: I'm putting it in the suggestion
box as we speak. (laughs)
antiMusic: That would be so great (laughs).
Bif: (laughs) I would love to. On
the Billy tour, we had a film crew with us 24-7 and we shot a lot of stuff.
So hopefully we'll be able to find a place for it and put something out
later.
antiMusic: Well, I want this phone call
to go on all day but you're a busy girl, so thanks so much for doing this.
Bif: Thank you for taking the time,
Morley. I appreciate you doing it.
antiMusic and Morley Seaver thanks the
awesome Bif Naked for this interview. We wish her all the best with the
new record and tour.
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